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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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Richard Saunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia for the skeptic Zone

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episode number 128 for the first of

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april 2011 April first april fools day

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well some people carry on with April

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Fool's Day but I think we'll just carry

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on with the skeptic zone on this week's

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show we have the first in a two-parter

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the first part of an interview with

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James the amazing Randi and I spoke to

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James Randi just the other day and he

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tells us about his recent trip to Norway

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and after that we have a brief segment

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where I called up local radio station

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2ue to have my say after they

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interviewed a so-called psychic and to

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wrap up the show we have the think tank

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yes the think tank back again and

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Maynard drops in for a visit now i must

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say i really appreciate skeptic zone

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fans especially if they're Kristi Evans

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Morris who sent in a picture via

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Facebook of a little numbing t'en wombat

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she crocheted it looks fantastic

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Christie dr. HC and I and the whole team

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are absolutely delighted thank you so

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much for that also it's been brought to

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our attention by our us correspondent

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Travis Roy but power balance oh yes

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power balance have issued a new

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statement in fact if you go to the power

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balance website power balance calm you

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can see the new statement the upshot is

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and will confirm this over the next few

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weeks that they have to basically

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retract a lot of their far-fetched phony

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claims it's looking hopeful we'll keep

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you updated over the next few weeks but

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for now run downstairs have a nice drink

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James the amazing Randi a man who hardly

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needs an introduction the father of

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modern skepticism and a good friend I

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caught up with james randi just the

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other day for this the first part of a

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two-part interview and joining me now

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live yes live all the way from Fort

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Lauderdale in Florida it's none other

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than the amazing Randi himself hello

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Randy how exciting this must be for you

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it is I'm thrilled to death and imagine

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you're being interviewed for a podcast

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that must be something big yes I ran you

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I've never done this before of course

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now I've been quite interested to see

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lately following your adventures all the

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way to Norway Randy somewhere I've never

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been and somewhere I'd love to visit can

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you tell me some of your experiences in

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Norway and why did you go so far well

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I've ever been all over Scandinavia

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several times over the past 20 years or

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so and enjoyed it every single time even

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in the dead of winter I had rather nasty

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weather in Norway i'm not sure but

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that's not their fault of course they

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didn't wish it on be well on the other

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hand maybe that did work if somebody

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that but I suffered through all that and

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hospitality we had sold out crowds every

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turn away are you ready almost 1500

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people on the first show in Oslo that's

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a lot of people to turn away and I I was

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very very disappointed to know that we

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other web to hear it and they were very

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happy with the results i believe and we

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norwegian a humanist association

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Norway and they sort of need it I'm sure

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you've heard of the royal house of

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Norway and their eccentricities well

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accepted maybe that remote one and

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what's the car yes the UK yes that's the

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one yes I see well you you still have

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the ladies picture on your and your

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acquaintance on your bills and such so

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we do yes I see well in Canada they

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still do i'm told as well but they're

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they're preferring beavers that beaver

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so much more attractive no it's quite

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hoshi and everybody in norway that i met

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all the median such catan say oh we're

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so embarrassed over the royal family

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because she really is giving lessons

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lessons to people to citizens out there

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for money to teach them how to contact

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their guardian angels now I too can

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speak to guardian angels i can speak the

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lamp posts i can speak whatever you want

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but whether i get an answer of course is

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the feather important question here and

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we challenged the princess on television

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course she was royalty you see and are

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as royalty by me it still is from what

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be in jeopardy I'm not to her but she

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just already said that we do not answer

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add to such inquiries and this is the

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Royal we of course ah that one that

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that's that's a great excuse enough hood

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John Edwards say the same thing yes it

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what do you what do you say to the skip

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mr. Edward oh I don't respond to

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know that we specifically challenged

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John Edward to take the million-dollar

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prize at his press agent not he himself

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yours truly and then he signs it now

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that's great isn't it I under to appear

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before the magistrates III don't to

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recognize this court goodbye and walk

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princess of Norway she she and her

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husband are total nutcases and I I think

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agree with me very very clearly the very

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day as a matter of fact the day after

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challenge wonder the newspapers had I

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coverage nothing about Libya nothing

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her husband and headlines and a color

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expression on his face saying that he'd

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his wife that he had been murdered by

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brain to get around in in any aspect I

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just can't do it there is no direction

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from which I can approach it I'm quite

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and surely this is turning no way into a

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laughingstock oh it is it is and and

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royal household being supported by the

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citizens of Norway she'd got to be royal

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family and so she didn't earn anything

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right mother in the right place at the

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interviewed not so long ago from the the

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skeptics there Kristen Carson who

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interviewed you along the reference for

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their podcast us luckily of course they

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interviewed you in English so we could

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all enjoy it so that Dashon is charging

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their must-have interrupt you at that

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point Richard excuse me but I I'm sure

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you're well aware of it too I am just a

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tad embarrassed over the fact that I can

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travel anywhere on this earth and I'm

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talking about a Beijing I that the

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Philippines and any place on earth and

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walk into a community that has never

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seen me before and ask questions in

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English and I will be understood and I

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will be answered it's astonishing how

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the English language has pretty well

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taken over precedents every certainly

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place in a rocking chair who does the

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language but but that would be very rare

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it it might be an embarrassment of the

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family as well but it is astonishing

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that we can use the English language so

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the world and I stepped out in front of

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an audience there and spoke to them for

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a couple of hours in English and

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and then I didn't see any puzzled

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expressions at all it's astonishing

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really it must certainly must hope

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someone like you two to go there and

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deliver your talks without having to

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have somebody next to you every minute

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well he's chair may I that that was

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necessary because you Germany wasn't

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allowed to learn English you see I I was

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Germany and I went through a checkpoint

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charlie which is quite an experience I

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could spend a lot of time telling you

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about that little episode but

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nonetheless I had to have an interpreter

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in East Germany not for the academics

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front of me and that that really rather

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stilts your your approach I'm sure that

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it does especially when you're giving a

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talk and your thoughts are flowing and

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you're making your points to hatch to

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actually have to stop like that but of

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course you've been traveling as part of

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what you do for many many many years the

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first time that I believe the first time

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you flew to Australia was around about

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nineteen eighty-four the series of

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famous water dividing tests you are you

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here and Joshua dick smith of course in

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conjunction with big Smith and Phillip

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Adams on the late Richard Carlton who

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was helping you at the time by chipping

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in a large amount of money oh I i miss

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richard everybody do yes we were sorry

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when we heard the richard died a number

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of years ago now but what interests me

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about that little episode of course is

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it led to the formation of australian

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skeptics but it's indicative of your

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philosophy of getting out and traveling

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around the world this must be one of the

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great joys of your life I would I would

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hazard a guess oh ho that's absolutely

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oh no this is this is my delight I you

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know with with all the medical problems

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I've had recently it slows me down a bit

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but hey I'm still here I still have as

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much hair as I've ever had which is

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nothing and if I had my beard of luxury

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as a matter of fact they following the

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chemotherapy I've got to tell you my

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beard grew at a rate that I didn't

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believe astonishing it just sprung

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I think I'd most of my energy and most

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of my my nourishment has gone directly

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to the beard the way it's like steel

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wool now or barbed wire perhaps I think

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it's not a cuddly type of beard I'm told

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so I had to be very careful into whose

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face I push it you see I was oh I was

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showing the because I've been working on

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the documentary lately reworking the

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james randi in australia which was

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filmed in 1980 I've been converting it

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to another format you know I was sewing

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showing dr. AG dr. Rachel Dunlop I'm

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saying have a look at this old

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documentary I'm just been working on it

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she looked at you and Dick Smith walking

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along and you're discussing the test set

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up and she says that can't be dick smith

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he looks so young but Randy hasn't

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changed at all yes now this this is a

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mysterious thing now I have to tell you

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this is a cultural thing Richard which

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may interest you and your and your

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audience ah i used to use in my speech

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here in America before colleges and

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universities which you would expect to

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be rather sophisticated knowledgeable

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and that if you make a reference to

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English literature they they just might

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a solve at you see but i have given up

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one of them but i used to say people

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often say to be that i haven't changed

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in the last 25 years but i must tell you

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my secret there's a painting of me in

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the Attic how a painting of the picture

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of james randi oh yes indeed now the

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point is Richard you got it right away

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but I said that I've said I stand before

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seated audiences in universities and

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colleges in the United States of America

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and I see people looking at one mothers

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who say why was he talking about and I

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had to explain what it is so I don't use

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it anymore and even add a professor of

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English literature right here in florida

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i won't mention the university at all

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but he said to me what was that think

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about the new in the attic and I said no

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I'll look up Dorian Gray and that's a

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survivable

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well that is remarkable it is absolutely

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one of the great classic stories of the

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last couple of centuries I would say

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that the idea that somebody could have a

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picture of them which takes on the the

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sins and the aging process why they

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remain immortal that's that's such a

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classic story I'm shocked at that's not

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universal well I I've got to go in the

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option where the picture of me in the

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Atticus is beautiful so it doesn't

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always work that way you see but I that

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is shocking though is it not Richard

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that that my eyelashes here in the

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United States of America wouldn't

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recognize that oh it works very well at

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Oxford it works well in Cambridge and

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it's worked in other parts of the world

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as well but I just don't use it anymore

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unless I want to embarrass myself by

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having to explain the thing that lets

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lets a sad commentary it is well I hope

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our audience the ones who surely none of

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the skeptics an audience would would be

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in this boat but if if they happen to be

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eavesdropping on somebody else's podcast

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maybe they should look up Oscar Wilde

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and have a look at that book then I made

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a great movie too by the way Oh several

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great movies yes all yes with benefit

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not only one but a really good movie yes

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well if we progress a couple of years

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past the famous documentary you made in

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australia in 1980 which is still being

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used worldwide to demonstrate and to

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teach people about water divining and

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how to test and so forth we find you

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mysteriously ending up in russia in

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moscow and where you were followed

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around by a documentary film crew now

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this is all one of my favorites too it

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was a for a film television show called

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nova yeah and it must have been filmed

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in the late 80s Early 90s I'm guess I

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guess I these dates are all the same to

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me I'm a delicious okay it's some years

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ago shall we say where your visited the

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visit of the former Soviet you need to

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test out the psychics and the wonders

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there and again that's also a wonderful

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example of how to test and how not to

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test things and I think particularly of

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the time you tried to

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test their magic miracle water and they

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were using divining rods yes oh yes well

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I'll tell you another episode there they

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didn't show up on that Nova program it

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wasn't part of the program that's called

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secrets of the psychics is that right

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yes no and it's available I think it's

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on YouTube someplace or other partly

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doubtedly at least some parts of it but

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nonetheless um something happened

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following my return from Russia it a

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couple of months after see I had been

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spoken to by one of the people working

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at the parapsychological lab there who

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was a very unhappy graduate student who

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said to me that the tests weren't being

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done properly they weren't being done

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double-blind and I had done them

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double-blind for the very first time and

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they'd all collapsed they didn't work at

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all I do and we know the reasoning

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behind that don't Richard oh yes well

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anybody who watches the that documentary

422
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it's clear to what's happening but I I

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encourage people to seek out secrets of

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the psychics with James Randi and have a

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look in the case um in several at least

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two months I guess after I got back to

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the United States I received a letter

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from this graduate student who told me

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that he had had an argument with his

430
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supervisor there and an LD Matt elderly

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gentleman and a black suit for that with

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a very white hair and everything very

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pleasant gentleman who however resented

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me highly because the experiment that he

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had been doing were not working now that

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they were a double blinded and he said

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yes I he says I just resigned from the

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laboratory said but a very happy

439
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circumstance for me I got a wonderful

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job yet another government supported

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laboratory here and I'm very happy there

442
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said but I must tell you that I resigned

443
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because the director of that project

444
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said they called us together after James

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Randi had left you see called us

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together and said we will never do

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double-blind test again because it's

448
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obvious that they don't work now this

449
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shows the dismal misunderstanding that

450
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the man has of how to do proper tests

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and as

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because if they aren't done double-blind

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they're absolutely worthless yes and

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sometimes it's almost impossible as you

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would well understand and then I've

456
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learned over the past 10 years or so in

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this game that it's impossible to

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explain that to somebody that since we

459
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carried out this test in a double-blind

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fashion your powers disappear well it's

461
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not their powers that will disappear the

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syrtis that's faulty grazie right of

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course yeah and their neighborhood go

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away with their beliefs intact oh yeah

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no no it's very very very difficult if

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not impossible to convince the true

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believer who will not listen who has

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just shot his or her mind and ears and

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eyes to the evidence that's so easily

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available and that's the criticism

471
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levelled at skeptics all the time of

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course that we're closed minded but in

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your long experience has there been many

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times where you've actually have

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convinced the true believer well it it's

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a mixed situation really I sometimes

477
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read Oh three or four times a year

478
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perhaps I will get an email from someone

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who says mr. Randy you know I used to

480
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think you were an awful fool and you

481
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didn't know this happen the other thing

482
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they may have been right on that first

483
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thing but he said I looked over the

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evidence and I read your book flim flam

485
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and I changed my mind I I think you're

486
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right I'm not thoroughly convinced yet

487
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but but I'm thinking about that's all I

488
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want if I get a note saying they're

489
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thinking about it and they're

490
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considering the possibility that I may

491
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be right and they may be wrong and that

492
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the authorities they've been depending

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on may be wrong that's all I can hope to

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accomplish in some cases however i've

495
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had people send me notes just like that

496
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and then two months later say oh I was

497
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wrong again you see because I saw dr.

498
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so-and-so or professor such and such and

499
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they told me there was evidence for blah

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blah blah and they they give me some

501
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reason for totally reversion themselves

502
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again and sinking back into the rush of

503
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belief yes yes the one that that

504
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particularly gets in micro I must admit

505
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I was interviewed on local radio here in

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Sydney a few days ago

507
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and I had a nice chat with the presenter

508
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there and I think I'll even played on

509
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this episode of the skeptic zone but

510
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after me the people who phoned up after

511
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me to put their case for why they

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believe in psychics and so on the number

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of people who will start their sentence

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with well I'm a skeptic or I used to be

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escaping so I'm the big I'm the world's

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biggest skeptic but I went to Madame

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flim-flam and and she just blew my socks

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off and I'm yes smacking my head

519
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thinking there should be some sort of

520
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Lord unless to use the word skeptic you

521
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must know what the hell you're talking

522
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:01,990
about exactly that I think that that

523
00:23:06,029 --> 00:23:03,610
should be legislation but they'll be

524
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:06,039
much cooler I'm going to carry banners

525
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from now on on my car with that message

526
00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:11,799
on it yes that's very true and whenever

527
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I hear them started saying now I'm a

528
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skeptic real a really solid skeptic

529
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however I think here we go again and

530
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they dear oh yeah you know oh yeah yeah

531
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or sometimes I'm quite cheeky and I'll

532
00:23:28,649 --> 00:23:27,250
look at the man I say a bit you're a

533
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skeptic I've never seen you at the

534
00:23:37,770 --> 00:23:35,590
meetings the second part of this

535
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interview with James Randi can be heard

536
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next week where Randy discusses amongst

537
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:42,700
other things the 1 million dollar

538
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:47,770
challenge hey bro hey bro what's this

539
00:23:50,490 --> 00:23:48,970
message you sent me about a million

540
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:50,500
dollars skeptic bros don't come and

541
00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:52,090
finally cracked it a detection device

542
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,320
that will prove the existence the

543
00:23:59,970 --> 00:23:56,080
paranormal what let me assure you hey

544
00:24:03,090 --> 00:23:59,980
help why are we in a cupboard check it

545
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:03,100
out a new placebo band and it's glowing

546
00:24:08,430 --> 00:24:06,010
yes in the dark that's when they're

547
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,440
ghosts are about we're gonna win Randy's

548
00:24:12,690 --> 00:24:10,960
million dollars I'm going home let me

549
00:24:18,210 --> 00:24:12,700
out can't go but only opens from the

550
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:18,220
outside go to scare dick brooms get a

551
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:20,210
glow in the ducts ebo band

552
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:31,030
Richard Saunders is the vice president I

553
00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:33,050
think of Australian skeptics he's found

554
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:35,270
in richard g'day g'day g'day you're

555
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:37,010
you're skeptical about the claims made

556
00:24:42,370 --> 00:24:39,410
by that psychic ahead on the show well

557
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:42,380
to say with a pinch of salt I think I am

558
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:44,450
but do you know we've had a standing

559
00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:46,880
offer of a hundred thousand dollars back

560
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,950
by Dick Smith for years and years and

561
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:50,960
years for the first psychic palm reader

562
00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:54,050
whatever to come along and demonstrate

563
00:24:58,780 --> 00:24:56,150
successfully they can do what they claim

564
00:25:01,210 --> 00:24:58,790
how would you determine that it has been

565
00:25:03,310 --> 00:25:01,220
demonstrated successfully well I mean it

566
00:25:04,930 --> 00:25:03,320
depends on the individual claim but palm

567
00:25:07,270 --> 00:25:04,940
reading would be pretty easy i think

568
00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:07,280
when we get ten photographs of people's

569
00:25:12,610 --> 00:25:09,040
palms and have their backstory and

570
00:25:14,860 --> 00:25:12,620
invite a palm reader to examine the the

571
00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:14,870
palms in the photographs and tell us

572
00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:16,340
about the people involved and see if

573
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,160
they they can match up but you know when

574
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:20,720
you look at your hand if people look at

575
00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:22,280
their hand right now and give your palm

576
00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:25,160
in your hand a bit of a flex those lines

577
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:28,070
are called flex ation creases they're in

578
00:25:32,050 --> 00:25:30,530
our hands so we can actually make a fist

579
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:32,060
and open and shut our hands they're

580
00:25:36,730 --> 00:25:34,370
simply a biological thing on the hand

581
00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:36,740
and nothing to do with the future or the

582
00:25:41,290 --> 00:25:39,830
past or your or your mood or anything

583
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:41,300
like that how long have you had the

584
00:25:47,230 --> 00:25:43,970
hundred grand on offer 400 grams been an

585
00:25:49,930 --> 00:25:47,240
offer for it kicking around my dusty

586
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:49,940
memory about about 20 years and before

587
00:25:54,430 --> 00:25:52,970
that it was a about 50 grand going back

588
00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:54,440
to about nineteen eighty when the

589
00:25:57,850 --> 00:25:55,940
skeptics kicked off we've been offering

590
00:25:59,320 --> 00:25:57,860
around thousands of dollars and in that

591
00:26:01,090 --> 00:25:59,330
time how many people do you reckon

592
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:01,100
affronted up and said rudder on the dead

593
00:26:04,570 --> 00:26:02,570
cert I can do it I'm going to

594
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:04,580
demonstrate it to how many a fraud it's

595
00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:07,010
hard to say probably probably less than

596
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:09,080
a hundred and most have been watered

597
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:11,690
divine it all right so do you believe in

598
00:26:16,510 --> 00:26:14,330
water divining as in effect no it'sit's

599
00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:16,520
we've discovered though through careful

600
00:26:21,010 --> 00:26:18,470
testing over 30 years of testing it's

601
00:26:22,570 --> 00:26:21,020
the actual diviners themselves simply

602
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:22,580
move their hands a little bit in the rod

603
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:25,250
swing back and forth and when properly

604
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,170
tested they can never find the water or

605
00:26:30,850 --> 00:26:29,120
the gold or the dead bodies or whatever

606
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:30,860
they say claims he really likes in the

607
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:32,570
bush mad because I had a farm for a

608
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:34,010
little while there are blacks in the

609
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,320
bush

610
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:36,419
you are absolutely convinced that those

611
00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:38,700
two steel rods or whatever they are that

612
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:40,470
you hold in your hands loosely they will

613
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,090
come together at the point where you

614
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:43,679
should dig the bore blokes believe it oh

615
00:26:47,539 --> 00:26:45,480
yeah sure it's it's an interesting

616
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:47,549
effect called the ideomotor action where

617
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:49,529
the muscles and the hands twinge a tiny

618
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:51,960
bit the rod swing they don't know that

619
00:26:55,159 --> 00:26:53,490
they're making the rod swing themselves

620
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:55,169
they'll say dig here one of our

621
00:26:58,940 --> 00:26:57,659
challenges is to say the diviners will

622
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:58,950
find us a place where there's no

623
00:27:03,980 --> 00:27:01,860
underground water how do you mean it's

624
00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:03,990
Underground rod why every every way yeah

625
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:06,299
now you know understand uri geller was

626
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:08,250
the big focus on the black you reckon

627
00:27:11,749 --> 00:27:09,570
that and all of that stuff has been

628
00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:11,759
disproven has a knob it has I mean it

629
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:13,830
sadly in a way I mean a lot of people

630
00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:15,450
thought he was the real deal but he was

631
00:27:19,249 --> 00:27:17,070
caught red-handed cheating and and

632
00:27:21,249 --> 00:27:19,259
before then magicians knew that he was

633
00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:21,259
another magician who unfortunately

634
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:24,870
stopped being a wonderful magician and

635
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:26,730
actually tried to convince people he had

636
00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:29,129
genuine magical powers and that's like

637
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:31,470
an actor who goes on stage and does the

638
00:27:34,639 --> 00:27:33,210
role of Hamlet been turning to the

639
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:34,649
audience the saying by the way I really

640
00:27:38,899 --> 00:27:37,049
AM Hamlet it's just like oh why would

641
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:38,909
you do such a silly thing Richard what

642
00:27:44,690 --> 00:27:42,330
would you say to people who are invited

643
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:44,700
to hand over money to psychics and stuff

644
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:48,090
like that well if you do it with the

645
00:27:52,129 --> 00:27:50,129
knowledge that's all in good fun and

646
00:27:54,019 --> 00:27:52,139
games and not to take the advice

647
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:54,029
seriously and it's like going to a movie

648
00:27:58,399 --> 00:27:56,039
you get a good deal of entertaining out

649
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,409
of it just remember that it's fiction

650
00:28:03,379 --> 00:28:00,960
and if you satisfied to have fun well

651
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:03,389
that's really great but don't rely on on

652
00:28:09,139 --> 00:28:05,340
the advice by these people they're not

653
00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:09,149
trained psychologists or counselors if

654
00:28:12,919 --> 00:28:11,100
you really have problems in life there

655
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:12,929
are proper professional people who can

656
00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:15,210
really seriously help you don't throw

657
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:16,590
money at these I would have thought that

658
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:18,809
in that example that a lady found up

659
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:20,340
with a little while ago where she said

660
00:28:25,299 --> 00:28:22,860
the psychic had said that men had given

661
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:25,309
a brooch to somebody that that would be

662
00:28:30,499 --> 00:28:28,289
you know in the range of most likely

663
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,509
experiences that an Australian family

664
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:31,679
would have had at some point and ends

665
00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:33,570
passed on a brooch possibly so

666
00:28:37,999 --> 00:28:35,549
absolutely and also remember that you're

667
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:38,009
relying on what she told you and she's

668
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:40,529
relying on her memories of a reading she

669
00:28:45,789 --> 00:28:42,690
had some time ago to be honest without

670
00:28:47,650 --> 00:28:45,799
hearing a recording of the reading

671
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,660
people

672
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:49,520
usually don't remember accurately what

673
00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:51,440
happened in reading an OL embellish it

674
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:53,270
to make it seem more real that's our

675
00:28:56,860 --> 00:28:54,530
experience Richard one last question

676
00:28:58,450 --> 00:28:56,870
yeah the Trade Practices Act is pretty

677
00:29:00,880 --> 00:28:58,460
specific about misleading and deceptive

678
00:29:02,380 --> 00:29:00,890
conduct has there ever been a successful

679
00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:02,390
prosecution against somebody says that

680
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:04,220
their psychic an takes money for it not

681
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:05,930
as far as i know because the government

682
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:07,970
simply don't treat this or regard this

683
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:10,130
as the serious thing at all it's they'll

684
00:29:14,140 --> 00:29:11,840
just let it's just like the psychic

685
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:14,150
hotlines you know people ring up we've

686
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:16,970
infiltrated those hotlines three times

687
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:19,730
here and in America they're just taught

688
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:22,130
to read off scripts I mean it's that's

689
00:29:26,770 --> 00:29:24,710
where the prosecution stood stood start

690
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:26,780
right there yeah it's a pretty cynical

691
00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:28,310
ploy is and if you set up a business

692
00:29:32,530 --> 00:29:31,070
just purely and simply do read scripts

693
00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:32,540
and rip people off what an awful thing

694
00:29:38,020 --> 00:29:35,270
to do it is an awful thing to do again

695
00:29:40,210 --> 00:29:38,030
if you visit a psychic and you get a lot

696
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:40,220
out of it as long as you know that it is

697
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:41,750
good fun and games and we've got no

698
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:44,210
problem with it do any of the sites you

699
00:29:47,530 --> 00:29:45,890
know with 1 900 numbers and that sort of

700
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:47,540
thing do they say on their ad this is

701
00:29:51,310 --> 00:29:49,910
for amusement only ah you know what I

702
00:29:53,410 --> 00:29:51,320
have to study those very carefully they

703
00:29:54,820 --> 00:29:53,420
all should yeah they absolutely all

704
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,830
should this is for amusement only

705
00:29:58,810 --> 00:29:57,200
because I mean in our heart of hearts we

706
00:30:01,450 --> 00:29:58,820
know people can't really look into the

707
00:30:03,670 --> 00:30:01,460
future and Tel Aviv predict events this

708
00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:03,680
year shown that apart from anything else

709
00:30:08,410 --> 00:30:06,350
or the incredible music event this year

710
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,420
and yet you know Richard I have a full

711
00:30:12,550 --> 00:30:10,640
switchboard of people and I can sell me

712
00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:12,560
computing hear what they're planning to

713
00:30:16,150 --> 00:30:14,360
say yeah who believe who've been to a

714
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,160
psychic and believe I'll take a range of

715
00:30:19,330 --> 00:30:18,080
those calls as well Richard it's really

716
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:19,340
good to chat with you thank you my

717
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:20,930
pleasure Richard Saunders is with

718
00:30:25,210 --> 00:30:23,090
Australian skeptics 100,000 bucks on

719
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:25,220
offer has been for 20 years if you can

720
00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:27,410
genuinely demonstrate that you have some

721
00:30:41,310 --> 00:30:38,919
hey guys this is jay from the skeptics

722
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:41,320
guide to the universe well hold on whoa

723
00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:43,610
everybody knows I'm the only reason to

724
00:30:46,779 --> 00:30:45,380
listen to the Freak Show right I mean it

725
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:46,789
was up to me the show would start with

726
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:53,450
this yeah boy well Rebecca would hate

727
00:30:57,159 --> 00:30:55,400
that probably but I mean I'd rock that

728
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:57,169
listen to our show you can learn about

729
00:31:00,100 --> 00:30:58,640
cool stuff like a technological

730
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:00,110
singularity which is someday when

731
00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:01,970
technology progresses so fast that it

732
00:31:05,049 --> 00:31:02,870
would make the Industrial Revolution

733
00:31:08,529 --> 00:31:05,059
look like a kid science project anyway

734
00:31:19,149 --> 00:31:08,539
come check us out at WWDC epic sky or

735
00:31:26,830 --> 00:31:19,159
get your son join us now for drinking

736
00:31:27,910 --> 00:31:26,840
skeptically in the think tank on start

737
00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:27,920
like this bugger

738
00:31:33,490 --> 00:31:30,380
like this cuz I got that much big honor

739
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:33,500
are you ready all right and it's welcome

740
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:45,010
here we go there's only two of is here

741
00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:46,850
now this more than that it's a big

742
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:49,550
welcome to Iran to give higher on hello

743
00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:53,530
Richard hello it's a very big welcome to

744
00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:56,750
Maynard hello people it's great to be

745
00:32:00,940 --> 00:31:59,480
here it's fantastic look you wouldn't

746
00:32:03,010 --> 00:32:00,950
believe as far as the eye can see

747
00:32:05,230 --> 00:32:03,020
there's people stretching back across

748
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:05,240
the table in fact most of the New South

749
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:06,650
Wales I your peers here because they've

750
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:10,210
got nothing else to do all three of them

751
00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:13,070
hello Jason even Richard Harry then I'm

752
00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:14,750
doing well how you doing I'm doing great

753
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:18,260
that's great dr. HC hi dr. AG hi dr.

754
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:21,190
Richard talking original I'm honored and

755
00:32:26,290 --> 00:32:24,350
lastly not no I'm not in fact I'm and

756
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:26,300
dishonored and last and certainly not

757
00:32:31,540 --> 00:32:29,600
least it's joe bin abou hi Richard and

758
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,550
Joe you have an important announcement

759
00:32:36,790 --> 00:32:34,640
to make oh yes well just a little moment

760
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:36,800
in in science history today I just

761
00:32:40,450 --> 00:32:37,910
thought it would be nice if people

762
00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:40,460
really looking at google today today is

763
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:43,550
the birthday of robert wilhelm ever had

764
00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:46,010
hudson otherwise known as the inventor

765
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:48,020
of the Bunsen burner there any other

766
00:32:55,570 --> 00:32:52,850
wonderful absolutely anyway so very

767
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:55,580
happy birthday to the now long deceased

768
00:33:01,120 --> 00:32:58,610
dr. Bunsen faces I wasn't very cruel to

769
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:01,130
beacon hey very cool here's some up and

770
00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:09,190
they don't know what's quick may another

771
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:11,390
mattress topper music there oh that's

772
00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:13,610
very good well got a lot to get through

773
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,160
on this episode of my headphones are

774
00:33:20,770 --> 00:33:18,080
taking me in the mode this episode oh

775
00:33:22,270 --> 00:33:20,780
well I will actually shut up there the

776
00:33:24,550 --> 00:33:22,280
skeptic don't just make sure my

777
00:33:28,570 --> 00:33:24,560
headphones don't attack me let's start

778
00:33:31,570 --> 00:33:28,580
off Jason some very very exciting news

779
00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:31,580
for people in Sydney yes Oh in fact

780
00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:33,800
anywhere in Australia taking the wave of

781
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:36,950
light anybody can get here by the end of

782
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,410
april skeptic am Sydney is taking place

783
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:41,840
at UTS what can you tell us about April

784
00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:45,370
the 30th 11 a.m. in the morning turn up

785
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:49,150
so not 11am and evening thanks for that

786
00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:51,110
just I'll just go to the automated

787
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,550
teller machine machine yes skepta camp

788
00:33:59,770 --> 00:33:57,440
is a format based on barcamp it's an

789
00:34:02,080 --> 00:33:59,780
unconference where the participants are

790
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:02,090
the presenters we're doing when I

791
00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:04,460
promise to do one at Tamar's possibly

792
00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:06,860
slightly foolishly and now I'm actually

793
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:08,540
doing it it's taking place I got the

794
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:11,030
confirmation for the rooms today and the

795
00:34:17,620 --> 00:34:13,370
tickets are available skepta camera

796
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:17,630
Sydney 2011 eventbrite com or the wiki

797
00:34:23,590 --> 00:34:21,050
at skeptic amp Australia to all and how

798
00:34:26,139 --> 00:34:23,600
much your tickets Jason tickets Rachel

799
00:34:29,260 --> 00:34:26,149
are completely free free other to you

800
00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:29,270
fifty bucks oh so how many people can

801
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:32,030
come we've got at the moment 110

802
00:34:35,350 --> 00:34:33,530
allocation of tickets and we might

803
00:34:37,899 --> 00:34:35,360
expand that depend on how quickly this

804
00:34:39,970 --> 00:34:37,909
goes so it's sure to be a sought-after

805
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:39,980
event get in where you can so it's the

806
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:44,000
30th of April at the UTS UTS yes here in

807
00:34:50,110 --> 00:34:46,850
Sydney Saturday that is a 35 / 11 a.m.

808
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:50,120
till 6pm dancers drinks afterwards of

809
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:51,530
innocent drinks huh sounds good to me

810
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:53,810
the first skeptic camp so that skeptic

811
00:34:59,620 --> 00:34:58,250
camp Australia dog very exciting I think

812
00:35:02,050 --> 00:34:59,630
it's going to be a huge successfully one

813
00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:02,060
much excited as terrified Tara very very

814
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:04,430
terrified I think it'll work ok and we

815
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:07,490
hope that skeptic zone fans flock flock

816
00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:10,400
to it oh yes oh if any skeptics our

817
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:12,950
listeners happen to own a business that

818
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:14,510
would like to sponsor the event

819
00:35:18,070 --> 00:35:16,490
we do need to pay for lunches and we

820
00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:18,080
wouldn't mind paying for a little bar

821
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:20,660
tab afterwards mmm so come along you can

822
00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:22,970
get your logo on the collateral and get

823
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:24,230
a most mention that kind of thing away

824
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:25,730
and we'd like to give out some spot

825
00:35:29,650 --> 00:35:27,290
prizes for best speakers and things like

826
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,660
that as well okay so let me know through

827
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,760
the various websites that i mentioned

828
00:35:36,970 --> 00:35:33,920
already that's skeptic and australia the

829
00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:36,980
org and skip the camp 2011 eventbrite

830
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:40,280
com or they can tweet you at drunken

831
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:43,010
have young man yeah that's probably the

832
00:35:47,470 --> 00:35:44,870
way most people all there so you're kind

833
00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:47,480
of like the charlie sheen of the skeptic

834
00:35:52,030 --> 00:35:50,180
world aren't you Tyga bleed rumbling and

835
00:35:56,170 --> 00:35:52,040
brand mad man you should get a web show

836
00:35:59,110 --> 00:35:56,180
going you're working on it actually as

837
00:36:01,120 --> 00:35:59,120
it happens hmm i'd watch it idea that

838
00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:01,130
you know yeah it would be fun to show he

839
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:03,590
just walked in here uninvited and kiss

840
00:36:09,130 --> 00:36:06,650
pits are dumb enough that's right mmm

841
00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:09,140
tastes very good well heads over here to

842
00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:11,000
remove the text i mean we've all been

843
00:36:18,820 --> 00:36:16,790
there so you get a spot on the zone i

844
00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:18,830
saw a man down the street he said he

845
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:29,800
thank you dr. H II you've got some very

846
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:32,600
exciting news about Australian doctor

847
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:34,310
magazine yes do we need this thing again

848
00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:37,310
you know no no I got yet just hold on to

849
00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:41,000
your apps people's um Australian doctor

850
00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:42,950
is a magazine that goes out in this

851
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:45,740
country to GPS primarily and this week

852
00:36:49,690 --> 00:36:48,020
they've done a big investigation into

853
00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:49,700
cam complementary and alternative

854
00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:53,420
medicines Paul Smith has done a very big

855
00:37:00,160 --> 00:36:56,270
story looking at several modalities

856
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,170
including chiropractic and for his story

857
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:02,240
he actually went to a seminar by a

858
00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:04,190
chiropractor who L listeners might be

859
00:37:07,570 --> 00:37:06,140
familiar with he's a pediatric

860
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:07,580
chiropractor by the name of that would

861
00:37:18,490 --> 00:37:13,650
be Nimrod wiener Jason that's okay

862
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:18,500
oh yeah his name would be Nimrod we know

863
00:37:24,140 --> 00:37:21,569
now Lucis may remember that I went to

864
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:24,150
his lecture the same lecture several

865
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:26,700
months ago bravely with with my friend

866
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,609
Frodo who held my hand hope heard it and

867
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:31,920
it turned out to be an anti-vaccination

868
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,740
lecture now I wrote a story on this for

869
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:36,240
this on my blog and for these the

870
00:37:42,049 --> 00:37:38,250
skeptic magazine now Paul went along

871
00:37:44,269 --> 00:37:42,059
last Saturday he has written a good big

872
00:37:45,799 --> 00:37:44,279
story now you'll be probably not

873
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:45,809
surprised to hear that not much changed

874
00:37:49,579 --> 00:37:48,119
in Nimrods lecture including the fact

875
00:37:51,319 --> 00:37:49,589
that he's still site to Wakefield as a

876
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:51,329
reliable source or group so I'm not

877
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:53,940
surprised about if you search Australian

878
00:38:00,049 --> 00:37:56,640
doctor online and look for Paul Smith

879
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,059
you'll find it but all this is part of a

880
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:02,160
bigger story that oz doctor is doing on

881
00:38:07,460 --> 00:38:05,490
cam this week and I was very fortunate

882
00:38:09,769 --> 00:38:07,470
and very honored to be offered the

883
00:38:13,279 --> 00:38:09,779
opportunity to write an editorial for

884
00:38:15,289 --> 00:38:13,289
that feature which I did then it's some

885
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,299
currently impressed at the moment that's

886
00:38:19,279 --> 00:38:17,520
fantastic yeah it's really exciting it's

887
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:19,289
really and I'm just so pleased that

888
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:20,940
you're going to be published in

889
00:38:25,099 --> 00:38:23,099
Australian doctor magazine dr. oh yeah

890
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:25,109
congratulations that's really great I'm

891
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:27,450
just before yeah not in this match is

892
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:30,420
rained on um so I'm officially a big

893
00:38:36,769 --> 00:38:33,660
shell now yes armor yes your place

894
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,779
tonight dr. self-published place

895
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:38,880
sponsored by Big Pharma what have you

896
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:40,410
seen the magazine there's a lot of big

897
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:42,090
farmer and to me

898
00:38:46,340 --> 00:38:44,730
I know I just I just heard the word

899
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:46,350
does that mean you can now prescribe me

900
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:50,850
drugs no I was Sheila's talk about Big

901
00:38:54,590 --> 00:38:52,500
Pharma and not one bottle of

902
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:54,600
dexamphetamine has arrived the mail for

903
00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:56,310
me in the last three years that I

904
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:00,540
haven't asked for I love small farm you

905
00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:03,540
know guys working and back up acting but

906
00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:05,790
just to follow up on that there was a

907
00:39:12,110 --> 00:39:08,790
story in the mainstream media last week

908
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:12,120
as well about chiropractors at the Royal

909
00:39:17,350 --> 00:39:14,250
Melbourne Institute of Technology RMIT

910
00:39:21,110 --> 00:39:17,360
and they have a clinic where they do

911
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:21,120
pediatric chiropractic and make some

912
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:23,940
pretty amazing claims about chiro be on

913
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:26,040
a cure all kinds of things earache or

914
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:27,540
something like this oh and colic and

915
00:39:34,180 --> 00:39:31,170
ADHD in ADHD is sickening right I mean

916
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:34,190
preposterous and extraordinary jizz yeah

917
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:38,040
great example of how nonsense is

918
00:39:45,860 --> 00:39:42,450
infiltrating Institutes of learning well

919
00:39:48,590 --> 00:39:45,870
precisely am so there was a story in the

920
00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:48,600
mainstream press here about that and how

921
00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:50,760
a lot of academics in this country are

922
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:53,100
calling for that to be closed and that

923
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:55,970
was also supported by Simon cnas others

924
00:40:00,620 --> 00:39:59,010
fantastic and in fact it also just this

925
00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:00,630
week got published in the bmj the

926
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:05,190
British Medical Journal old through the

927
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:07,260
efforts of louetta man that's right

928
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:09,510
yellow a demarian working on this Cairo

929
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:12,420
stuff for a very long time and what she

930
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:13,380
has done has gone through all the

931
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,060
websites in Australia that she can find

932
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,640
and found its any claim that they're

933
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:19,200
making that not based in evidence and

934
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:20,520
this is kind of off the back of what

935
00:40:26,060 --> 00:40:23,400
happened after the Simon Singh BCA case

936
00:40:27,590 --> 00:40:26,070
happened where you know all the guys in

937
00:40:29,950 --> 00:40:27,600
the UK went through and found that they

938
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,960
in India and twenty-five percent of

939
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:32,160
chiropractors were up for investigation

940
00:40:35,940 --> 00:40:34,890
by the a-si I think the advertising

941
00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:35,950
standards authority

942
00:40:42,329 --> 00:40:39,950
so yeah it's gone that story is broken

943
00:40:45,370 --> 00:40:42,339
worldwide and so the interestingly the

944
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:45,380
response from the RMIT was really just

945
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:46,970
to kind of shrug it off and mumble a bit

946
00:40:50,319 --> 00:40:48,890
and say oh well no we're not doing it

947
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:50,329
for the money and we're not doing it and

948
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:52,130
just kind of like to go away we don't

949
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:53,650
want to talk about it really wasn't it

950
00:40:58,990 --> 00:40:56,569
was this me a very unimpressive response

951
00:41:02,109 --> 00:40:59,000
I think this story is also mentioned on

952
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:02,119
the website awful strong skeptics at the

953
00:41:08,799 --> 00:41:05,930
moment it is listeners go to ww skeptics

954
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:08,809
com au this more information right there

955
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,079
and just um just to mention what after

956
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,760
what Joe said about the sort of stuff

957
00:41:18,370 --> 00:41:16,400
infiltrating universities the executive

958
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:18,380
officer of Australian skeptics 10 men

959
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:19,970
them has written a story about this in

960
00:41:23,410 --> 00:41:21,710
this month this issue of the skeptic

961
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:23,420
right which is just recorded for the

962
00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:27,049
science show for the ABC a really great

963
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:28,700
investigation which Joe contributed to

964
00:41:33,579 --> 00:41:31,010
actually about whoo infiltrating

965
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:33,589
universities and looking at universities

966
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:35,210
across Australia and then seeing what

967
00:41:39,279 --> 00:41:36,980
kind of things they teach the not might

968
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:39,289
not be based in evidence that's really

969
00:41:42,339 --> 00:41:40,730
interesting that was yeah you helped

970
00:41:47,410 --> 00:41:42,349
with that research in there Joe I've

971
00:41:49,089 --> 00:41:47,420
been putting together a database of the

972
00:41:51,490 --> 00:41:49,099
different degrees offered in different

973
00:41:55,390 --> 00:41:51,500
universities and I've been trying to

974
00:41:58,029 --> 00:41:55,400
expand it's quite hard actually to get

975
00:42:01,029 --> 00:41:58,039
information across the board about every

976
00:42:04,510 --> 00:42:01,039
institution that's out there you know

977
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:04,520
there's the obvious universities that

978
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:06,650
you can you can search very easily but

979
00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:09,049
then you know you can have a very

980
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:11,660
acceptable degree program but within

981
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:13,609
that degree program you may find that

982
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:15,770
there's a subject that is of concern so

983
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:18,650
for example a nursing degree there is

984
00:42:22,269 --> 00:42:20,329
nothing wrong with a nursing degree of

985
00:42:24,789 --> 00:42:22,279
course but within a nursing degree you

986
00:42:28,289 --> 00:42:24,799
may find subjects offered within those

987
00:42:30,609 --> 00:42:28,299
degrees which are on

988
00:42:32,829 --> 00:42:30,619
therapy's therapeutic touch and so on

989
00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:32,839
which as far as i can see isn't taught

990
00:42:37,539 --> 00:42:34,670
explicitly in australia but there are

991
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:37,549
certainly you know smaller areas where

992
00:42:42,250 --> 00:42:39,710
it may fall into sent you over but it

993
00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:42,260
sorry even in the one which i found

994
00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:44,150
which which was interesting was in one

995
00:42:49,329 --> 00:42:47,960
of the agricultural degrees we're pretty

996
00:42:50,859 --> 00:42:49,339
much across the board everything about

997
00:42:52,089 --> 00:42:50,869
the degree in what it offered even

998
00:42:55,630 --> 00:42:52,099
though i know nothing about that

999
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:55,640
specific area was pretty much okay they

1000
00:43:00,549 --> 00:42:57,650
were offering a subject in biodynamic

1001
00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:00,559
agriculture and you know so it's

1002
00:43:04,930 --> 00:43:02,270
something you have to look quite closely

1003
00:43:07,450 --> 00:43:04,940
but then you get the obvious ones like

1004
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:07,460
you know the natural what are the core

1005
00:43:11,859 --> 00:43:09,530
nature care college for example where

1006
00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:11,869
you know they're almost isn't a subject

1007
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:13,990
or a program which isn't utter nonsense

1008
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,690
mm-hmm so did you mentioned grid you

1009
00:43:22,839 --> 00:43:19,280
mentioned wakefield not reminded me of

1010
00:43:25,289 --> 00:43:22,849
the interview that Phillip Adams on L&L

1011
00:43:28,779 --> 00:43:25,299
had with said looking wrote the

1012
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:28,789
excellent book the panic parents so he

1013
00:43:33,730 --> 00:43:31,450
said was tall first of all anybody

1014
00:43:35,529 --> 00:43:33,740
didn't listen to it yeah it should it's

1015
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:35,539
a great interview it's on the L&L

1016
00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:38,510
website when you say L&L late night live

1017
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:41,660
is actually now called lnl it's an IVC

1018
00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:45,200
dotnet are you and go to radio national

1019
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:48,200
and find it anyway seven looking

1020
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:49,730
apparently as part of writing the book

1021
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:51,410
spent quite a bit of time with Wakefield

1022
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,319
and he told this story about Wakefield

1023
00:43:59,940 --> 00:43:56,240
becoming more and more paranoid and

1024
00:44:03,460 --> 00:43:59,950
unstable as the investigation in England

1025
00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:03,470
went on and Addison point towards the

1026
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:06,680
end of their relationship he asked says

1027
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:10,089
looking to whether he would like to

1028
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,849
translate his book Wakefield's book to

1029
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:15,119
Hebrew

1030
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:17,730
now I thought that was completely

1031
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:20,460
bizarre anyway but turns out the seven

1032
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:23,450
look it says knocking well Jewish

1033
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:28,049
doesn't speak Hebrew I get that from

1034
00:44:32,779 --> 00:44:30,420
time to time you know from taxi drivers

1035
00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:32,789
who say you're from Israel Jews are very

1036
00:44:37,339 --> 00:44:35,670
smart but it yeah I don't know somehow

1037
00:44:39,769 --> 00:44:37,349
it's not the kind of thing I expect from

1038
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:39,779
a famous doctor and researcher you know

1039
00:44:48,859 --> 00:44:44,609
that kind of bigotry and in black in

1040
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:48,869
cluelessness owe you big schlemiel obey

1041
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:52,920
Oh Joe what do you have for us there

1042
00:44:59,150 --> 00:44:56,490
speaking of smart Jewish people thank

1043
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:59,160
you Richard um uh this is just an

1044
00:45:03,529 --> 00:45:01,619
interesting case that's going on at the

1045
00:45:05,420 --> 00:45:03,539
moment in France which people might have

1046
00:45:07,339 --> 00:45:05,430
heard about I've no doubt Tim file he's

1047
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:07,349
probably coveted on what's the harm net

1048
00:45:11,749 --> 00:45:09,660
but I think it's actually quite an

1049
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:11,759
interesting case chilaka because there's

1050
00:45:19,479 --> 00:45:15,720
a French couple whose daughter died at

1051
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:19,489
the age of 11 months old from what they

1052
00:45:26,269 --> 00:45:21,720
suspect all I think what they've said is

1053
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:26,279
a vitamin deficiency and the story was

1054
00:45:31,460 --> 00:45:29,220
that the the parents are vegan and they

1055
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,470
fed their daughter nothing other than

1056
00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:34,079
Mother's Milk and the child died as a

1057
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:36,359
result of malnutrition how old was the

1058
00:45:43,729 --> 00:45:39,180
eleventh month maybe Elizabeth okay and

1059
00:45:46,329 --> 00:45:43,739
the child died of malnutrition suffering

1060
00:45:49,759 --> 00:45:46,339
from multiple vitamin deficiencies and

1061
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:49,769
the way this case has been sort of

1062
00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:51,420
discussed in the media has very much

1063
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:52,859
focused on the fact that the parents are

1064
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:55,740
vegan now

1065
00:46:00,740 --> 00:45:57,210
it's quite interesting because when you

1066
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,750
actually read more into the story a lot

1067
00:46:05,570 --> 00:46:02,640
i think it's become a bit of an issue

1068
00:46:08,180 --> 00:46:05,580
because people who are vegan or

1069
00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:08,190
vegetarian or you know don't even

1070
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:09,990
remember Tom Neverest I have seen that

1071
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:11,940
the way this case is being promoted in

1072
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,310
the media is really you know attacking

1073
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:16,800
and clearing those dietary choices

1074
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:19,410
rather than actually looking at what was

1075
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:21,210
going on with the specific couple where

1076
00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:24,030
yes they were vegan and yes they clearly

1077
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:27,600
didn't make the right choices in you

1078
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:29,369
know choosing to have a vegan diet for

1079
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:31,560
their child where maybe for a baby there

1080
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:32,910
are additional things which need to be

1081
00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:34,290
included in the diet which could be

1082
00:46:37,310 --> 00:46:35,790
gotten from other sources if they're

1083
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:37,320
feeding the child and breast and walk

1084
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:39,540
and so on but it turns out this this

1085
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:41,550
couple as well as being being vegan

1086
00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:43,770
we're described as being exceedingly

1087
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:45,750
suspicious of traditional medicine

1088
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:47,790
refused to have anything to do with

1089
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:50,640
doctors you know didn't basically

1090
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,890
rejected any form of advice given to

1091
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:54,660
them from doctors about caring for their

1092
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,920
child and they say that they win the

1093
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:01,200
child was suffering from bronchitis and

1094
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:02,940
losing weight and was actually funny

1095
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:04,710
enough taken to a doctor bromine mother

1096
00:47:10,070 --> 00:47:07,710
checkup they they preferred to apply

1097
00:47:13,070 --> 00:47:10,080
clay or cabbage poultices whose recipes

1098
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:13,080
they found in books and they had a

1099
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:15,420
number of other you know strange ideas

1100
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:16,740
and things that they were doing and I

1101
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,700
just thought this was an interesting

1102
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:19,740
case because I was very much and I were

1103
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:22,050
to pull two surfaces like as something

1104
00:47:25,310 --> 00:47:23,850
that you applied to the body and you

1105
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:25,320
know you sort of mix something up in

1106
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:27,510
your pipe like a I plaster or

1107
00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:30,090
something like it it's sort of a mustard

1108
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:32,760
and it's like Everlast as a photo guys

1109
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:35,700
yeah I'm anyone who's had Vic's made on

1110
00:47:40,690 --> 00:47:38,130
their chest yeah yeah yeah exactly like

1111
00:47:42,830 --> 00:47:40,700
a cabbage oh it's smell disgusting

1112
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:42,840
excuse me I gather you haven't tried my

1113
00:47:47,930 --> 00:47:44,460
cabbage rolls I made up no I like to eat

1114
00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:47,940
just not put it on my face I'll just put

1115
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:50,040
it in my face no oh thank you Oh your

1116
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:52,140
chest you leave that police

1117
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:54,490
haven't if you use cabbage while

1118
00:47:59,040 --> 00:47:56,890
breastfeeding cabbage actually causes

1119
00:48:05,250 --> 00:47:59,050
the lactation to be reduced really oh

1120
00:48:07,590 --> 00:48:05,260
I'll test that women can beat leads on

1121
00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:07,600
their bday actually they have I'm not

1122
00:48:10,890 --> 00:48:08,740
sure what the chemical is but their

1123
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:10,900
chemical in there you guys like this but

1124
00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:12,070
anyhow I thought this was an interesting

1125
00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:14,680
case because it's really being discussed

1126
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:16,900
with the focus being on the fact that

1127
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:18,610
the parents were vegan but I think that

1128
00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:19,930
the fact that they were vegan is

1129
00:48:24,510 --> 00:48:21,940
actually actually has nothing to do with

1130
00:48:28,650 --> 00:48:24,520
how they are also look after I had bad

1131
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:28,660
choices in there you know sad case in an

1132
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,290
example of rejecting us of science and

1133
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:34,240
medicine I must say I'm still surprised

1134
00:48:40,830 --> 00:48:38,440
that having been breastfed for the first

1135
00:48:43,890 --> 00:48:40,840
11 months of her life the child who died

1136
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:43,900
from malnutrition unless because the way

1137
00:48:47,580 --> 00:48:45,610
I would think the body would work is

1138
00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:47,590
that it would SAP everything away from

1139
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:49,420
the mother because I know it does sap a

1140
00:48:55,950 --> 00:48:52,510
lot from mother so I would expect the

1141
00:48:57,870 --> 00:48:55,960
child to actually still be okay I look I

1142
00:48:59,880 --> 00:48:57,880
have to say I don't have a pediatric

1143
00:49:02,580 --> 00:48:59,890
background so I don't really know very

1144
00:49:05,610 --> 00:49:02,590
much about babies in terms of what their

1145
00:49:07,830 --> 00:49:05,620
needs are so I was a little bit

1146
00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:07,840
uncertain myself about what would be

1147
00:49:10,830 --> 00:49:09,700
appropriate for a child that age except

1148
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:10,840
for the fact that you know I have

1149
00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:13,150
friends with babies and you know we're

1150
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:14,860
family and so on Joe you know where you

1151
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:16,570
can go for advice on this typical a

1152
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,050
story don't you oh yes I sure I couldn't

1153
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,960
get through a PA no no no avian I've got

1154
00:49:26,190 --> 00:49:24,400
lots of information about this I think

1155
00:49:27,630 --> 00:49:26,200
Meryl made lots of comments about it

1156
00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:27,640
today she seems to know exactly what's

1157
00:49:31,590 --> 00:49:29,830
going on and don't forget that

1158
00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:31,600
homeopathy plus there's always be

1159
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:37,120
something because this at a segway no it

1160
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:39,970
is not actually yeah I have to say

1161
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:41,410
speaking of homeopathy plus one of the

1162
00:49:45,450 --> 00:49:43,210
things that has had me just giggling in

1163
00:49:47,370 --> 00:49:45,460
for the last few weeks was and please

1164
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:47,380
correct me if i quote it incorrectly

1165
00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:49,570
with the person who said that the

1166
00:49:54,210 --> 00:49:52,060
radiation from from the Fukushima plant

1167
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:54,220
by the time it comes the ocean was so

1168
00:50:06,359 --> 00:50:03,150
so actually so yeah the segue that I

1169
00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:06,369
planned all along so those who don't

1170
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:08,260
know why it was a segue thank you some

1171
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,480
inside segue remain up and you can't

1172
00:50:21,690 --> 00:50:19,119
fall off that guy of a cliff Kenya

1173
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:21,700
nakano you could try very safe Ziggler

1174
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,740
so um the the guy who invented Segway

1175
00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:28,720
fell off a Cleary of the new Segway ah

1176
00:50:37,050 --> 00:50:33,220
but the Pritikin diet so homeopathy plus

1177
00:50:39,089 --> 00:50:37,060
published to newsletters one that said

1178
00:50:41,579 --> 00:50:39,099
how they would be you know you can find

1179
00:50:43,620 --> 00:50:41,589
on your perfect remedies to cure your

1180
00:50:46,310 --> 00:50:43,630
radiation sickness and the other one

1181
00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:46,320
that said no no no do not take iodine

1182
00:50:50,579 --> 00:50:48,520
homeopathic garden because homeopathic

1183
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:50,589
iodine iodine doesn't actually cause the

1184
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:52,510
symptoms of radiation you need to take

1185
00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:55,210
something that causes the symptoms of

1186
00:51:01,230 --> 00:50:57,730
radiation sickness and oh yeah never

1187
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:01,240
mind yeah something like that brings got

1188
00:51:05,790 --> 00:51:02,410
a weapons life now they are recommending

1189
00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:05,800
homeopathic x-rays so anyway so I

1190
00:51:08,670 --> 00:51:07,030
actually wanted to speak a little bit

1191
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:08,680
about about what's happening in

1192
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:10,450
Fukushima and I think there's some

1193
00:51:14,190 --> 00:51:12,790
lessons to be learned from that in other

1194
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:14,200
areas of the things that we are

1195
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:16,690
interested in what's happened is that

1196
00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:19,450
there was obviously this huge earthquake

1197
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:23,950
in Japan 9.0 there was a 10 to 15 meter

1198
00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:27,010
but in different accounts 8 10 10 to 15

1199
00:51:34,589 --> 00:51:31,900
meter tsunami sorry so at 10 10 to 15

1200
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:34,599
minutes tsunami and everybody knows what

1201
00:51:40,140 --> 00:51:36,910
happened in the end of kashima nuclear

1202
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:40,150
power plant now it's a really serious

1203
00:51:42,839 --> 00:51:41,650
matter I don't want anybody to think

1204
00:51:44,579 --> 00:51:42,849
that just because of what I'm going to

1205
00:51:46,859 --> 00:51:44,589
say that I think that it's not a serious

1206
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:46,869
matter and it could still get worse and

1207
00:51:49,530 --> 00:51:48,310
there's all kinds of effects long-term

1208
00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:49,540
effects that could happen because of it

1209
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:52,180
but something like at the moment I think

1210
00:51:57,460 --> 00:51:53,480
the confirmed number of death

1211
00:52:00,640 --> 00:51:57,470
from from the earthquake and the tsunami

1212
00:52:02,980 --> 00:52:00,650
is thirteen thousand persons and it's

1213
00:52:04,210 --> 00:52:02,990
going to grow its going to grow in all

1214
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,220
likelihood it will reach more than

1215
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:07,040
20,000 people there's there are no

1216
00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:08,480
confirmed deaths from the nuclear

1217
00:52:15,250 --> 00:52:11,960
reactor situation and a hydroelectric

1218
00:52:18,340 --> 00:52:15,260
dam not far from Fukushima wiped out a

1219
00:52:20,109 --> 00:52:18,350
town of about fifteen thousand homes so

1220
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:20,119
highly elected electrics got bigger

1221
00:52:24,099 --> 00:52:22,130
definitely just happen but it's not as

1222
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:24,109
evil as nuclear it's not an evil that's

1223
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:26,210
exactly the point but it's like there's

1224
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:29,090
this thing about nuclear that it's and

1225
00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:33,890
it's not nucular its nuclear there's

1226
00:52:38,109 --> 00:52:35,470
something about it that makes people

1227
00:52:40,450 --> 00:52:38,119
it's terrible it's terrible and the

1228
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:40,460
press I think has had a really important

1229
00:52:44,830 --> 00:52:42,650
role to play in all of this reporting on

1230
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:44,840
it in completely in a completely wrong

1231
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:48,710
way completely lack of income lack of

1232
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:51,890
critical analysis of the situation no

1233
00:52:59,200 --> 00:52:56,770
facts all hype and this there is this

1234
00:53:01,359 --> 00:52:59,210
online newspaper called the register the

1235
00:53:04,540 --> 00:53:01,369
register odk really excellent for news

1236
00:53:07,180 --> 00:53:04,550
about science technology and andrew

1237
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,190
orlowski they wrote an analysis of the

1238
00:53:11,770 --> 00:53:09,440
way the media has been portraying the

1239
00:53:13,180 --> 00:53:11,780
situation in in fukushima and he wrote

1240
00:53:15,250 --> 00:53:13,190
something that I that really caught my

1241
00:53:16,750 --> 00:53:15,260
eye said Health and Environment

1242
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:16,760
correspondence will rarely be found

1243
00:53:20,050 --> 00:53:18,050
debunking the claims they're receiving

1244
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:20,060
press releases from lobby groups the

1245
00:53:24,099 --> 00:53:22,670
drama of catastrophe is too alluring and

1246
00:53:25,330 --> 00:53:24,109
I thought how true that is and it's

1247
00:53:27,130 --> 00:53:25,340
something that we've discussed some time

1248
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:27,140
ago with regards to why journalists

1249
00:53:30,849 --> 00:53:29,210
actually mentioned why do they why do

1250
00:53:32,770 --> 00:53:30,859
they talk to the avn why do they mention

1251
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:32,780
a controversy around vaccines and all

1252
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:34,910
that to sell soap powder yeah it's

1253
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:36,770
that's what it's all about you know

1254
00:53:43,630 --> 00:53:39,920
there's no if there's no proper analysis

1255
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:43,640
there's no science journalism I think

1256
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:45,170
science journalism is really not where

1257
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:47,150
it should be nowadays and it's a bad

1258
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:49,609
thing because generally saw the people

1259
00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:52,130
who will rely rely upon to provide the

1260
00:53:55,420 --> 00:53:54,350
masses with information and if what we

1261
00:53:57,790 --> 00:53:55,430
see when there is something with

1262
00:53:59,740 --> 00:53:57,800
information is really needed like with

1263
00:54:01,870 --> 00:53:59,750
vaccines like with health infant health

1264
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:01,880
in general like with something like this

1265
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:03,350
when there's obviously the results of

1266
00:54:05,830 --> 00:54:04,130
what's HAP

1267
00:54:08,020 --> 00:54:05,840
they're the nuclear reactor could be

1268
00:54:11,490 --> 00:54:08,030
quite serious and the information we get

1269
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:11,500
is completely irrelevant completely

1270
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:15,440
hydrolyzed sensationalized not true it's

1271
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:19,130
just it's basically just all its stories

1272
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:21,110
it's not even it's not even top fact

1273
00:54:24,430 --> 00:54:23,090
it's not journalism and I'm really

1274
00:54:26,410 --> 00:54:24,440
troubled by that any I think it has

1275
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:26,420
implications for us I agree you know

1276
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:29,450
there is I storytelling Apes where we

1277
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:30,800
tell each other stories and that's how

1278
00:54:34,180 --> 00:54:32,510
we we get but you know there's a thing

1279
00:54:36,610 --> 00:54:34,190
of the fingering editor the thing is

1280
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:36,620
with journalism journalists or

1281
00:54:41,350 --> 00:54:39,710
newspapers tell us facts that or we

1282
00:54:43,330 --> 00:54:41,360
assume they tell us facts that we need

1283
00:54:44,830 --> 00:54:43,340
in order to make decisions you know for

1284
00:54:46,330 --> 00:54:44,840
example politics where do you get your

1285
00:54:49,570 --> 00:54:46,340
information about politics from you get

1286
00:54:51,970 --> 00:54:49,580
from the papers but we know that I think

1287
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:51,980
we can know fairly confidently that what

1288
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:53,810
they tell us about politics is biased

1289
00:54:59,020 --> 00:54:56,450
and based on whoever told in the story

1290
00:55:00,910 --> 00:54:59,030
same thing about health you know who so

1291
00:55:02,350 --> 00:55:00,920
who can you trust for information but

1292
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,360
not everybody's going to read journals

1293
00:55:06,190 --> 00:55:03,920
scientific journals not everything is

1294
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:06,200
interested in scientific journals so I

1295
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:08,150
think it just says something about the

1296
00:55:11,620 --> 00:55:09,850
state of journalism the state of

1297
00:55:13,450 --> 00:55:11,630
investigative journalism the state of

1298
00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:13,460
our site of science journalism that he's

1299
00:55:18,910 --> 00:55:16,040
very troubling I mentioned um I'm sorry

1300
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,920
I Richard and I had a meeting today with

1301
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:20,720
dr. Karl actually and he was with the

1302
00:55:25,810 --> 00:55:23,330
physicist who works with medical

1303
00:55:27,580 --> 00:55:25,820
isotopes and I mentioned to him that

1304
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:27,590
there was a story in the papers last

1305
00:55:33,070 --> 00:55:30,290
week of a lady who was Australian he's a

1306
00:55:34,510 --> 00:55:33,080
teacher and somewhere near fukushima it

1307
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:34,520
was flying back to Australia and was

1308
00:55:38,590 --> 00:55:35,750
terrified that she had radiation

1309
00:55:41,950 --> 00:55:38,600
poisoning the woman in Brisbane yeah she

1310
00:55:43,350 --> 00:55:41,960
was suppose somebody something days away

1311
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,360
from Fukushima

1312
00:55:47,250 --> 00:55:45,520
yeah and the isotopes that were being

1313
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:47,260
released at the time was short half-life

1314
00:55:51,450 --> 00:55:49,660
sort of 10 minute half-life isotopes

1315
00:55:52,890 --> 00:55:51,460
that could never have made it to it but

1316
00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:52,900
she was demanding tests at a local

1317
00:55:59,480 --> 00:55:54,460
hospital but this is the reason why

1318
00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:02,460
there's actually an excellent site which

1319
00:56:10,290 --> 00:56:07,990
i came across through League Western one

1320
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:10,300
of the youngest rating scale anyway I'm

1321
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:16,170
it's called JP @ JP quake got wikispaces

1322
00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:18,370
not something wrong I can't remember a

1323
00:56:22,050 --> 00:56:20,350
thing bro knows how to use Google it's

1324
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,060
called the journalist Wall of shame and

1325
00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:24,880
it's basically a space where people can

1326
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:28,990
put up media about the earthquake and

1327
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:32,650
it's being rated from 1 to 10 12 12 I

1328
00:56:38,730 --> 00:56:34,810
think according to how appallingly bad

1329
00:56:41,310 --> 00:56:38,740
the journalism is from from what could

1330
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:41,320
be seen as just accidental errors of

1331
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:46,020
maybe misinformation through to outright

1332
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:48,730
sensationalist dangerous reporting and a

1333
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:49,990
highly recommend people go and have a

1334
00:56:52,770 --> 00:56:51,370
look at that because it's a really

1335
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:52,780
really great way that people can

1336
00:56:56,790 --> 00:56:54,850
actually put up examples of poor

1337
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:56,800
reporting and they're doing it because

1338
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,090
they've said that really there's no way

1339
00:57:02,370 --> 00:56:59,920
for everyone to contact every single

1340
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:02,380
news source and outlet about every

1341
00:57:04,830 --> 00:57:03,730
single piece that's out there but this

1342
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:04,840
is a great way of bringing it all

1343
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:06,970
together and saying this is how it is

1344
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,650
and it's being done partly from people

1345
00:57:11,610 --> 00:57:10,240
who are on the ground who live in Japan

1346
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:11,620
who are seeing what's going on and

1347
00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:12,970
they're kind of really countering a lot

1348
00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:15,430
of the misinformation so well also one

1349
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:17,950
of the best illustrations that I've

1350
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,770
noticed myself was early on with the

1351
00:57:26,370 --> 00:57:23,200
hydrogen explosions that were going on I

1352
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:26,380
mean the steam venting is designed in

1353
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:28,450
safety feature and that steam then

1354
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:30,180
breaks up into its component parts

1355
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:33,290
obviously h2o I mean oxygen

1356
00:57:36,430 --> 00:57:35,090
and that will occasionally explode

1357
00:57:38,590 --> 00:57:36,440
that's why the top of the reactor

1358
00:57:40,810 --> 00:57:38,600
building is lightly built like the roof

1359
00:57:42,310 --> 00:57:40,820
of a fire on this factory boom often

1360
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,320
goes but produces this dramatic

1361
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:44,240
explosion the news agencies of the world

1362
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:48,400
were like explosion and nuclear plant

1363
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,930
right now there's been a slightly more

1364
00:57:53,950 --> 00:57:52,640
dangerous than it was then I heard of

1365
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:53,960
thing but there's been no nuclear

1366
00:57:58,900 --> 00:57:56,570
explosion as they would play with

1367
00:58:00,130 --> 00:57:58,910
treating it as if it's actually I think

1368
00:58:01,660 --> 00:58:00,140
it's a little bit more dangerous than

1369
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:01,670
you are portraying it because the

1370
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:03,740
original ainia a little Cobra Jane came

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00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,130
from support was probably a exposure of

1372
00:58:12,730 --> 00:58:10,160
the core because the overheating of the

1373
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:12,740
core yeah but he still didn't that steam

1374
00:58:15,820 --> 00:58:13,970
but it's still it's something it's a

1375
00:58:19,660 --> 00:58:15,830
decision they made they made a decision

1376
00:58:21,370 --> 00:58:19,670
to expo to vent vent this team with it

1377
00:58:23,050 --> 00:58:21,380
in knowing there would be hydrogen there

1378
00:58:24,610 --> 00:58:23,060
not knowing there is there's going to be

1379
00:58:26,770 --> 00:58:24,620
a risk of explosion but it's not a

1380
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:26,780
nuclear explosion it's a hydrogen

1381
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:28,610
explosion and all against i bought it

1382
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:30,530
has this explosion at nuclear plant and

1383
00:58:33,810 --> 00:58:32,210
the whole world waves his hands in the

1384
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:33,820
air runs around like idiots because

1385
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:36,530
reminding me a little bit of although i

1386
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:37,280
know it's a little bit of a

1387
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:39,110
light-hearted comparison of every time

1388
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:40,850
the cricket comes on suddenly everyone's

1389
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:42,530
an expert in cricket well i tell you now

1390
00:58:47,890 --> 00:58:44,570
I knew nothing about nuclear power until

1391
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:47,900
a few weeks ago and I feel like there's

1392
00:58:53,170 --> 00:58:50,090
also a little bit along a long while ago

1393
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,180
I was offered a job at Sellafield doing

1394
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:55,760
some cleaning work aerial cleaning work

1395
00:58:59,740 --> 00:58:57,550
because I was a climber back in the day

1396
00:59:01,840 --> 00:58:59,750
so I learned a bit about it then but

1397
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:01,850
even now it's moved on since I know that

1398
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:04,160
was the early nineties I do there's also

1399
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,810
a really good article written by Wilson

1400
00:59:09,730 --> 00:59:07,280
de Silva who's the editor in chief of

1401
00:59:11,590 --> 00:59:09,740
Cosmos magazine called medium meltdown

1402
00:59:14,530 --> 00:59:11,600
which is online I recommend you read

1403
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:14,540
that and dr. Karl did a podcast today on

1404
00:59:18,820 --> 00:59:16,970
triple j which also went on to the BBC

1405
00:59:21,070 --> 00:59:18,830
where he covered all of this stuff on

1406
00:59:23,230 --> 00:59:21,080
air and people rang up and said I think

1407
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:23,240
I'm poisoned or should I go to japan in

1408
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:25,250
two weeks is that animal am I going to

1409
00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:27,050
die as at your noble so that's also

1410
00:59:31,780 --> 00:59:29,390
available on podcast the answer is yes

1411
00:59:33,940 --> 00:59:31,790
you're gonna die I would say yes you are

1412
00:59:35,860 --> 00:59:33,950
going to die eventually yes yeah Japan

1413
00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:35,870
cuz it's awesome it's a lovely what dr.

1414
00:59:39,970 --> 00:59:38,030
well made the point to us today I didn't

1415
00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:39,980
hear the podcast but he said well no I

1416
00:59:42,790 --> 00:59:41,300
don't go there because they don't have

1417
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:42,800
enough water they don't have enough food

1418
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:43,740
I don't know

1419
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:45,690
Jews like just go when things are

1420
00:59:50,359 --> 00:59:47,940
settled down yeah yeah I know Japan

1421
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:50,369
Japan I haven't I haven't been to Japan

1422
00:59:53,330 --> 00:59:51,930
for many years in fact I was only a very

1423
00:59:54,859 --> 00:59:53,340
small boy when I went there but the

1424
00:59:57,970 --> 00:59:54,869
culture and the people are lovely in the

1425
01:00:02,050 --> 00:59:57,980
art and shameless plug DVD origami calm

1426
01:00:04,970 --> 01:00:02,060
no embassy district there's a few

1427
01:00:08,810 --> 01:00:04,980
specialty love hotels there that are bad

1428
01:00:10,820 --> 01:00:08,820
plastic dolls that no these ones are

1429
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:10,830
really good Armin I was with a girl who

1430
01:00:21,260 --> 01:00:18,920
but look go to Japan could be prepared

1431
01:00:23,690 --> 01:00:21,270
to pay 25 bucks for a two killer in

1432
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:23,700
orange and you'll have a great time go

1433
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,310
to hell Russia it's a wonderful to me

1434
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:29,280
the Japanese have a great word for their

1435
01:00:33,859 --> 01:00:31,290
been using to explain how the beginning

1436
01:00:36,290 --> 01:00:33,869
thurs I believe it Domo which means to

1437
01:00:38,060 --> 01:00:36,300
endure and get through it I hope that's

1438
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:38,070
what it means hope doesn't mean that's

1439
01:00:41,810 --> 01:00:40,110
an awesome I thought no I in fact all

1440
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,820
the news today I so the Emperor is out

1441
01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:43,440
visiting people in shelters and things

1442
01:00:58,370 --> 01:00:56,059
I'm drunk may that I think it's time you

1443
01:01:00,200 --> 01:00:58,380
had another limited you're drinking

1444
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:00,210
isn't this skeptics in the bottle it is

1445
01:01:04,730 --> 01:01:03,359
just I do not seem Iran sigep thank you

1446
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:04,740
very much for coming along then your

1447
01:01:08,660 --> 01:01:07,140
content is your region I Joe Benna Ruth

1448
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:08,670
thank you so much thank you very much

1449
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:09,930
just want to tell everyone if you

1450
01:01:13,279 --> 01:01:11,220
haven't go and have a look at the

1451
01:01:15,740 --> 01:01:13,289
amazing photos of mercury on the NASA

1452
01:01:18,589 --> 01:01:15,750
website they're really really gorgeous

1453
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:18,599
and with worth looking at and lovely

1454
01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:20,390
rounded yeah if you don't know the

1455
01:01:24,769 --> 01:01:23,190
messenger space probe just did is in

1456
01:01:26,809 --> 01:01:24,779
orbit around mercury and it's the first

1457
01:01:28,759 --> 01:01:26,819
time they've ever got anything in orbit

1458
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:28,769
so we've had images of memory before but

1459
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:30,000
this is the first time I've actually got

1460
01:01:34,249 --> 01:01:31,740
some in orbit and they are cool and

1461
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,259
awesome no guys are very exciting dr.

1462
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:36,240
Richie and little loving t'en thank you

1463
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:37,529
both for coming along thank you Richard

1464
01:01:44,059 --> 01:01:41,670
merius and of course drunken madman

1465
01:01:47,690 --> 01:01:44,069
who's not drunk all meds well not yes I

1466
01:01:49,220 --> 01:01:47,700
work for it for thank you rich thank you

1467
01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:49,230
everyone I'd like to just make a

1468
01:01:54,349 --> 01:01:51,960
reminder skepta camp Australia the org

1469
01:01:56,450 --> 01:01:54,359
where's the one and may not of course

1470
01:01:57,710 --> 01:01:56,460
look thank you for tolerating me believe

1471
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:57,720
you me people I've had three hour drive

1472
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:00,059
to get here I've had a hell of a week I

1473
01:02:04,279 --> 01:02:01,710
haven't had some days off for a while so

1474
01:02:07,609 --> 01:02:04,289
I'm bit tired and emotional bit like

1475
01:02:09,499 --> 01:02:07,619
postie Lindley I posted in here she's

1476
01:02:10,999 --> 01:02:09,509
lovely lady I'm just did look and look

1477
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:11,009
I've got a second things I want to talk

1478
01:02:14,749 --> 01:02:12,930
about here I can't talk about any but

1479
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:14,759
i'll leave them with one view Richard

1480
01:02:19,999 --> 01:02:18,450
yes on the world today on the ABC there

1481
01:02:22,700 --> 01:02:20,009
was an interview with a representative

1482
01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:22,710
of the Yemen government they asked him a

1483
01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:25,230
question yeah ok now do you think this

1484
01:02:28,940 --> 01:02:27,660
is a real person or a computer answering

1485
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:28,950
the question I'll let you drop in the

1486
01:02:34,329 --> 01:02:31,650
audio and Maynard calm that I you I've

1487
01:02:37,579 --> 01:02:34,339
got a great show from sep tember third

1488
01:02:40,279 --> 01:02:37,589
1988 have listened to it you may not and

1489
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:40,289
this is that funny clip now yes is this

1490
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:44,130
a real person or a computer ali al Majid

1491
01:02:48,859 --> 01:02:47,039
Ken Yemen's president survive now that

1492
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:48,869
one of his most senior generals ali

1493
01:02:53,660 --> 01:02:51,450
mohsin sally has defected after the

1494
01:02:56,329 --> 01:02:53,670
announcement that the military has made

1495
01:02:58,759 --> 01:02:56,339
it seems very likely that the president

1496
01:03:01,039 --> 01:02:58,769
will have to step down very very soon

1497
01:03:03,460 --> 01:03:01,049
and I expect that to be within the next

1498
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:03,470
48 hours the only the week

1499
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:05,570
say is basically the president right now

1500
01:03:10,359 --> 01:03:07,670
is probably trying to figure out the

1501
01:03:12,580 --> 01:03:10,369
best strategy for his exit and that's

1502
01:03:15,099 --> 01:03:12,590
why he sent the Minister of Foreign

1503
01:03:17,410 --> 01:03:15,109
Affairs to Saudi Arabia to negotiate

1504
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:17,420
some kind of deal for him to be able to

1505
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,000
leave the country why not I just can't

1506
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:22,160
tell anymore I just can't tell but on

1507
01:03:25,540 --> 01:03:23,930
till next time folks thank you for

1508
01:03:27,130 --> 01:03:25,550
listening to the think tank and thank

1509
01:03:34,690 --> 01:03:27,140
you everybody for turning up and it's

1510
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:34,700
cheesy distinct you a sting maybe just a

1511
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:47,680
Oh

1512
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:51,710
hi I'm a skeptic little nests a the wee

1513
01:03:55,850 --> 01:03:53,850
beastie who lives in the look I want to

1514
01:03:58,100 --> 01:03:55,860
talk about monster talk the podcast

1515
01:04:00,770 --> 01:03:58,110
skeptically examines monster story oh

1516
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:00,780
listen to your fancy talk what are you

1517
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:03,210
just watching the Lulu monster shows on

1518
01:04:08,570 --> 01:04:07,020
the teller last night huh oh yeah but

1519
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:08,580
but I watched those because they helped

1520
01:04:13,310 --> 01:04:10,530
me hone my skeptical will not be telling

1521
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:13,320
me out porcupines live look why don't

1522
01:04:16,550 --> 01:04:14,970
you go back in that water over there and

1523
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:16,560
let me talk to people about monster talk

1524
01:04:21,500 --> 01:04:18,930
Oh does that interest oh it doesn't have

1525
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:21,510
pictures it's a podcast I like fixtures

1526
01:04:25,250 --> 01:04:23,730
missile that's proper television look if

1527
01:04:27,020 --> 01:04:25,260
you like pictures so much then how come

1528
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:27,030
all the photos of you are so blurry I

1529
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:28,740
don't know what you're talking about I

1530
01:04:33,290 --> 01:04:31,200
live a happy picture taken that's that's

1531
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:33,300
probably true I don't want to be on your

1532
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,490
show i want to be on britain's got

1533
01:04:40,790 --> 01:04:38,160
talent like Susan Boyle I want to sing a

1534
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,800
proper Scottish song anyway please check

1535
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:42,240
out monster talk from your preferred

1536
01:04:57,820 --> 01:04:44,730
podcast aggregator are from monster talk

1537
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:00,680
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1538
01:05:03,950 --> 01:05:02,490
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1539
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:03,960
delighted to be part of your lives

1540
01:05:09,830 --> 01:05:07,380
whether you're jogging swimming swimming

1541
01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:09,840
what a proof headphones may be driving

1542
01:05:16,820 --> 01:05:13,020
in your car doing the dishes walking the

1543
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:16,830
dog those long night shifts or on the

1544
01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:20,730
treadmill in the gym yes I'm talking to

1545
01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:23,310
you look at that monitor there you see

1546
01:05:27,710 --> 01:05:24,660
you're nearly at the end of your journey

1547
01:05:29,030 --> 01:05:27,720
you've nearly made it a few more miles a

1548
01:05:31,940 --> 01:05:29,040
few more meters a few more kilometers

1549
01:05:33,980 --> 01:05:31,950
and i'll let you have a shower don't

1550
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,990
forget to download the skeptic zone next

1551
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:35,760
week for part two of the interview with

1552
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:38,730
James the amazing Randi and also and

1553
01:05:44,060 --> 01:05:41,490
interview with michael marshall from the

1554
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:44,070
Merseyside skeptics yes skeptics with a

1555
01:05:49,339 --> 01:05:46,500
cave coming up next week on the skeptics

1556
01:05:56,839 --> 01:05:49,349
own but for now this is Richard Saunders

1557
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:56,849
signing off from Sydney Australia you've

1558
01:06:04,820 --> 01:06:00,240
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1559
01:06:07,310 --> 01:06:04,830
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